Sir Roger Penrose, a mathematician and physicist who just won the Nobel Prize for work in the field of black holes, suggested that our universe was not the first to exist.

“The Big Bang was not the beginning,” Penrose said, according to The Telegraph. “There was something before the Big Bang and that something is what we will have in our future.”

In Penrose’s view, a universe will continue to expand until all of its matter eventually decays. And then, in its place, a new one will begin.

“We have a universe that expands and expands, and all mass decays away, and in this crazy theory of mine, that remote future becomes the Big Bang of another aeon.”

The proof of his idea are what Penrose calls Hawking Points: the corpses of black holes from before the Big Bang that outlived their own universes but are now at the end of their lifespans, leaking radiation as they fade into nothing.

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